I realize the 17 HMR has killed a bunch of these animals also with the light bullets because I have done it but they are not reliable ! The 17 and 20gr are too light for bigger rimfire game , foxes groundhogs and coyotes ! If you work in construction, you may already know the .17 WSM casing is based on a .27 caliber nail gun case used to set nails in concrete. Check out my article on the 17HMR vs 22LR. The .17 WSM tends to be a bit more expensive than the .17 HMR—the HMR costs between $0.20 and $0.30 per round, while the .17 WSM comes in at $0.30 to $0.35 per round—so if cost is an issue, the HMR may have a bit more appeal. vs. .300 Win. The .17 HMR also has more ammunition choices; with options from Hornady, Remington, Winchester, CCI, Federal and Browning. 22LR vs 22WMR vs 223 Remington. One thing came to light from the videos, and that's the much larger energy dump into the bodies with the 17 WSM vs the 17 HMR. May die out as soon as other rimfire ammo becomes readily available again. Ammo selection: Only Winchester makes the ammo so far. Compare 22lr Muzzle Velocity and 22lr Muzzle Energy on the 22lr Ballistics Chart! Compared to the other rimfires on this list, the .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (HMR) is the youngest by a long shot. The .17 HMR was introduced in 2002 and has become the most successful cartridge introduction since the .22 WMR. It also had a flatter trajectory than the .22 Magnum, but all is not as it seems. Hornady Varmint .17 HMR $13.99 brownells.com Hornady Varmint .17 HMR $12.99 cabelas.com The new, hyper-velocity cartridge was an instant success, and even though the tiny bullet was extremely sensitive to wind drift, many hunters flocked to the gun shops for a new cartridge to … Both get 2800-2900 fps, the A17 with 17-grain bullets and the WSM with 20s. In spite of the intensity of the South Dakota sun, there was activity out around 300 yards; I got the rifle steady and gave the appropriate amount of elevation for 315 yards. With a 100-yard zero, the 20-grain .17 WSM bullet drops but 1.2 inches at 150 yards and 4.1 inches at 200 yards, giving a very usable trajectory from a rimfire rifle. Find the Hunting Gear guy on YouTube. The .17 HMR also has more ammunition choices; with options from Hornady, Remington, Winchester, CCI, Federal and Browning. With lighter, faster projectiles, .17-caliber rimfires such as the .17 WSM and .17 HMR offer some advantages over more established rimfires like the .22 Long Rifle. Jard Inc Announces their New J71 – 17WSM AR15 Rifle. I should have my ass kicked, because the same place my uncle bought his 17 wsm has another one and it is at least 30 bucks cheaper than everywhere else. It totally stomps the .22 LR, and even offers significantly better ballistics than the popular 17 HMR. The .17 HMR. This is the big difference here. The 17 hornet has even more energy, greater range, and flatter trajectory. Just because your new rifle and cartridge is better on paper than your buddy’s, doesn’t mean that you’ll outperform them in the field and you might end up dealing with growing pains. Test number two was5.5-ounce juice cans at 250 meters. Volquartsen Begins Shipping Their Semi-Auto 17WSM Rifles. vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. The .17 HMR was the result of a joint project involving Hornady, Marlin, and Ruger. Oct 17, 2016 – I stumbled across the .17 WSM rimfire cartridge after researching .17 … for $999, Ruger roughly half that, and Volquartsen near double the price… 5. The .17 HMR is best inside of 150 yards, and is an awful fun cartridge to shoot. At that same range, Winchester's .17 WSM 20-grain load drifts only 2 inches and carries an impressive 230 ft.-lbs. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. If you love staying at the leading edge of technology, this is it but be prepared to pay for being at the bleeding edge. Designed and produced in 2002, the 17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire is pretty new in terms of cartridges, but there is an even newer kid on the block. You're gonna put the gun companies right out of business, owning one of them chronographs and all! There is no question that the larger case capacity of the .17 WSM gives it a performance advantage over any.17 HMR load, but the A17 reduces the gap. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. The wind is quite the issue at much past 150. .17 HMR is a relatively modern cartridge offering. The .17 WSM is not as solidly established but, based on potential, certainly should be. I have both as well as a few 17 HMR's and with the cost of WSM and HMR ammo being nearly the same, I'll take the harder hitting 17 WSM over the HMR every time. Buy Ammunition > Rimfire > 17 HMR - Gun City are the leading firearms experts in New Zealand. With the ballistics of the 5mm Remmington Rimfire Magnum which was off the market between 1974 and 2008, the designers of the .17 HRM set out to match the performance of … That said, PD’s out to 400 or so is a blast. Assuming a 200-yard zero for both cartridges, and using a 20-grain bullet for comparative purposes, the .17 Remington will hit about two inches higher at 300 yards than will the .17 Hornet (4.6 inches of drop for the Remington vs. 6.4 inches for the Hornet), yet in the hands of an experienced rifleman, that difference can easily be accounted for. But you are not buying only one cartridge; you will buy hundreds or thousands of cartridges. If your choice was between the hmr and a wsm, the wsm wins hands down. Today we will be discussing the advantages and disadvantages of 17 HMR vs 22 LR. Winchester states that the .17 WSM round is capable of 3,000fps velocity for 400ft/lb energy from the 20-gr V-Max bullet. 17 HMR VS 17 HORNET I like the 17 Hornet it does something crazy like 3600 fps Any input on ether the 17 HMR or the 17 HORNET Thanks….. Oct 10, 2012 #2 Hunter2678 Well-Known Member. The .17 WSM cartridge case is 1.2 inches long vs. the .17 HMR at 1.058 inches. Click on a term to search for related topics. I have a .17 HMR and have used it successfully on rabbits, prairie dogs and have seen it used on a Bobcat. … Having owned the 17 hmr Id rather shoot the 17 hornet. Find the Hunting Gear guy on YouTube. For the hunter looking for a speedy rimfire, which of these cartridges will better serve? Both get 2800-2900 fps, the A17 with 17-grain bullets and the WSM with 20s. And the other difference is .17 WSM can shoot around 165 yards, and .17 HMR is 205 yards. And the other difference is .17 WSM can shoot around 165 yards, and .17 HMR is 205 yards. 17 WSM has yet to be firmly established and if none of the other ammo manufacturers end up making it, you might end up with a rifle or ammo that is discontinued or only supported by Winchester. There are many differences between the .17 HMR with .17 WSM, such as .17 WSM sending a 20-grain bullet out at 914mph and the 17 HMR sending the bullet at 774mph. You're gonna put the gun companies right out of business, owning one of them chronographs and all! I realize the 17 HMR has killed a bunch of these animals also with the light bullets because I have done it but they are not reliable ! I think the 204 Ruger and 223 Rem are better pure coyote rounds, but the 17 WSM offers a very inexpensive option for coyote control. The .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire, introduced by Hornady in 2002, is nothing more than the .22 WMR necked down to hold 0.172-inch bullets. With a 100-yard zero, it drops only 4.3 inches at 200 yards. Friday, June 28, 2019. Hornady was the first supplier of .17 HMR ammunition, but within two years CCI, Federal, and Remington all adopted the caliber. Perhaps it was the downrange performance on that South Dakota hunt that impressed me, or maybe that particular Savage rifle just suited me better that afternoon, but the .17 WSM made a lasting impression on me. By Adriel Adriel has been hunting all his life, enjoys shooting 3 gun, is a trainer for Project Mapleseed and tries to apply a practical point of views to his reviews. Want to do your own MPBR calculations? Price the ammo on the WSM and you will have your answer. Most rimfire rifle builders chamber for both. DakotaDeer, I have not found much (if any) noticeable difference between the A17 .17 HMR ammo and .17 WSM ammo on varmints in my rifles. Mag. New Ruger 17 WSM Debuted at the 2015 SHOT Show. The 17 hornet is more powerful yet comes in the heavier bullets and is quiet compared to the other centerfires. Let us compare the CCI .22LR Stinger vs CCI .17HMR TNT to keep things fair. Check out this comparison of three rimfire magnmum cartridges (17 WMS, 17 HMR, and 22 WMR): And now lead-free 17 WSM ammo is available. The 17HMR costs 20 cents only, whereas 17 WSM costs 30 cents. More impressive is the wind drift difference. Wlfdg Sergeant. I haven't sent it in because Remington's deal is shit. Muzzlelover Member. It's not the most common, though (if you do not reload). The 17 WSM (“Winchester Super Magnum”) is the fastest, flattest-shooting rimfire round you can buy. Looking at field performance, I find the WSM cartridge a better choice for the longer shots. These options are essentially the same thing with one of them being a registered trademark while the other’s are not. of energy. .17 HMR. So, the cost difference is negligible for these cartridges. None come close to matching the low per-shot costs of.22 LR, but all shoot rings around it. The prairie dog town extended to the horizon, yet the closer, easier shots had all but ceased to exist. The simple rimfire design, coupled with a … 2020 The Hunting Gear Guy, John B. By Adriel Adriel has been hunting all his life, enjoys shooting 3 gun, is a trainer for Project Mapleseed and tries to apply a practical point of views to his reviews. I think it would be a bit on the light side for duiker and baboon. The .17 caliber ammo is pricy for what it is. Mag.• .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards• .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum• .22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift• .270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM• .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum• .458 Win. That .17 Winchester Super Magnum was wonderfully accurate, and proved to be a fully capable varmint cartridge, even at longer distances. None come close to matching the low per-shot costs of .22 LR, but all shoot rings around it. Quite obviously, Winchester is the biggest producer of the .17 WSM, offering three loads: the 20-grain load at 3000 fps, a 25-grain load using the Hornady V-Max bullet at 2600 fps and a lead-free 15-grain load at 3300 fps. Check out 17 HMR vs 17 WSM. The 17 WSM is king of the rimfires as we speak and it is very impressive. I also like the fact that the WSM offers a wider range of bullet weights; that 25-grain load makes a better choice for foxes and coyotes. 2 — .17 HMR: 0 .17 WSM: 2. Maybe Vervet monkey up to 100 yds or so. 17 HMR vs 17 WSM Originally Posted by Joe Krasko. Mag. The .17 WSM is not as solidly established but, based on potential, certainly should be. DakotaDeer, I have not found much (if any) noticeable difference between the A17 .17 HMR ammo and .17 WSM ammo on varmints in my rifles. The .17 HMR casing is a necked-down .22 Magnum case set to take a .17 caliber bullet. V-Max® Hornady describes their 20-grain V-Max® Varmint Express ®as the bridge between the potent but limited .17 HMR and the centerfire .17 Hornet, another wildcat cartridge derived … To put this into perspective, a Boeing 737 commercial airliner travels at … The 17 and 20gr are too light for bigger rimfire game , foxes groundhogs and coyotes ! 22LR vs 22WMR vs 223 Remington. Availability. The 17 WSM sends a 20 grain bullet out at 3000 fps, whereas the HMR is sending a 17 grain bullet at 2550 fps. Illustration courtesy of CCI. Moral dilema: My 17 HMR remington is under factory recall. As illustrated in the chart, .17 HMR Hornady Magnum Rimfire rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 2480 feet per second (fps) while .17 WSM Winchester Super Magnum rounds travel at a velocity of 3000 fps. The easy rimfire is the HMR, partly because ammo is so available, and partly because the A17 ammo in a bolt rifle comes pretty close to .17 WSM ballistics. by Philip Massaro - Loading and I think that's very important. 17 HMR is based on 22 WMR, which is in turn based on 22 Winchester Rimfire. Hornady offered two loads: the 17-grain load stated above, and a 20-grain load moving at 2350 fps. vs. .458 Lott• 7mm Rem. I needed 3/10 th mil elevation on the HMR, with the WSM still being point of aim, point of impact. Joined: Oct 29, 2012 Messages: 59. Buy Ammunition > Rimfire > 17 HMR - Gun City are the leading firearms experts in New Zealand. The 17 WSM shoots flatter and has more energy at all distances and substantially more once you start getting past 100 yds than either the 22 mag or 17 HMR. The .17 HMR cartridge is shorter and has less velocity and bullet weight than the .17 WSM cartridge. The 17 WSM makes for a decent coyote gun, carrying more energy much further, and the 25 grain bullet gives an option for more weight/penetration of larger varmints. I was able to get hits with the .17 HMR, but the .17 WSM was much easier. With a 10 mph crosswind, at 100 yards the WSM will drift 1.6 inches vs the HMR at 3.1 inches over. It totally stomps the .22 LR, and even offers significantly better ballistics than the popular 17 HMR. It is not much louder than the .17 hmr. Here are some factory figures based on a 100 yard zero and a line of sight 1.5" over bore (a scoped rifle):.17 HMR, 17 grain V-Max = +0.1" at 50 yards, 0 at 100 yards, -2.6" at 150 yards, … Born from the wildcat cartridge community in 2002, the round was developed specifically with the goal of achieving the flattest bullet trajectory possible. At this point, 17 WSM is where a lot of new rounds and rifles find themselves: encountering teething problems and in that “will it become a thing or not” area. Ammo costs per box of 50 run $12 to $13 for 17 HMR, about $1 less for.22 WMR, and $2 to $3 more for.17 WSM. Joined May 2, 2012 Messages 621 Location Ohio. Snow article on the Winchester 1885, Mossberg 510 Super Bantam 20 Gauge Review, 17 WSM 20 grain: 3000 FPS: .185BC: MPBR: 205 yards Energy: 400 ft-lbs, 17 WSM 25 grain: 2600 FPS: .23BC: MPBR: 186 yards Energy: 375 ft-lbs, 17 HMR 17 grain: 2550 FPS: .128BC: MPBR: 165 yards Energy: 245 ft-lbs. Muzzlelover Member. All said, I like the performance of the .17 WSM over the HMR, in spite of the additional cost; it’s a speedy cartridge that is well-suited to a prairie dog town, the woodchuck field or the coyote woods. The initial sales of 17 HMR rifles was so strong that the demand for ammunition far outstripped supply for the first couple of years. Philip Massaro May 18, 2017 With lighter, faster projectiles, .17-caliber rimfires such as the .17 WSM and .17 HMR offer some advantages over more established rimfires like the .22 Long Rifle. This is a substantially larger case. It was introduced in 2002 and has become the most successful cartridge introduction since the .22 WMR. Neither of them will be as economical to shoot as a .22 Long Rifle, but I doubt you’ll be shooting either of them in the same volume you would a .22 LR. Between the two I'd go for the Hornet unless there's a .17 HMR you really like. The .17 HMR has less long-range capability than the WSM, but more to offer by way of bullet selection. Currently, rifles firing the 17 WSM are the Savage B-Mag bolt action, heavy barrel B-mag target edition. In fact, depending where you live, you might not be able to find any at all. Thread starter nick338; Start date Aug 5, 2020; Forums. Ammo costs per box of 50 run $12 to $13 for 17 HMR, about $1 less for.22 WMR, and $2 to $3 more for.17 WSM. I'd combine one of the rimfires with a .17 Hornet. Watched that already. I love my CZ455 in HMR. Pushing a 17-grain spitzer bullet to 2550 fps, the blazing new rimfire gave both velocity and trajectory that had been previously unattainable in a rimfire cartridge, though the discontinued 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum wasn't all that far behind. The 17 HMR is an extremely fast little round, and within 100 yards it can be extremely fatal even for a larger animal if the bullet is placed in the right position. Born from the wildcat cartridge community in 2002, the round was developed specifically with the goal of achieving the flattest bullet trajectory possible. The furthest coyote I’ve shot was 135. Zeroed at 100 yards, the 17-grain load drops just 2.7 inches at 150 yards, making life difficult for squirrels, rabbits and woodchucks. Developed by Hornady ammunition maker in 2002, the .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (HMR) took the target and varmint shooting world by storm by becoming the most aggressive production rimfire commercially available. 17 WSM vs 17 Hornet. Find the Hunting Gear guy on YouTube, © But is it fast enough? Ammo costs per box of 50 run $12 to $13 for 17 HMR, about $1 less for .22 WMR, and $2 to $3 more for .17 WSM. Quick numbers: (MPBR is for gophers: vertical target size of 3″). PX Member. That’s an extra 40 yards of non-adjusted range. There are many differences between the .17 HMR with .17 WSM, such as .17 WSM sending a 20-grain bullet out at 914mph and the 17 HMR sending the bullet at 774mph. The ammo boxes are big and bulky compared with 17 HMR boxes. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Muzzlelover, Apr 3, 2013. The.17 WSM is not as solidly established but, based on potential, certainly should be. Check out this comparison of three rimfire magnmum cartridges (17 WMS, 17 HMR, and 22 WMR): And now lead-free 17 WSM ammo is available. Ruger Model 77/17, Winchester 1885 Low Wall single shot, and the semi-automatic Franklin Armory F-17. Ammo costs per box of 50 run $12 to $13 for 17 HMR, about $1 less for .22 WMR, and $2 to $3 more for .17 WSM. Compare that with a .22 LR which can drop 18 inches or … Adriel has been hunting all his life, enjoys shooting 3 gun, is a trainer for Project Mapleseed and tries to apply a practical point of views to his reviews. The .17 WSM tends to be a bit more expensive than the .17 HMR—the HMR costs between $0.20 and $0.30 per round, while the .17 WSM comes in at $0.30 to $0.35 per round—so if cost is an issue, the HMR may have a bit more appeal. A decade after the introduction of the .17 HMR, Winchester threw its hat in the .17-caliber rimfire ring with the release of the .17 Winchester Super Magnum. Minuteman. However, this little amount can have a great effect in the long run. Both the WSM and HMR can be made a fool of windy conditions, but as time of flight is a definite factor in the wind deflection values, the WSM makes the best of a situation. We've got you covered.• .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express• 350 Legend vs. .35 Remington• .280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. Lr and 17 HMR - gun City are the leading firearms experts in new Zealand we will be about. Bigger rimfire game, foxes groundhogs and coyotes closer, easier shots all. 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