I had zapped numerous crows with mine and a chuck or two. Fireball. Somehow shooting a round the same diameter as the old pellet gun I grew up shooting feels good. But, in a good rifle, the .17 Remington can be a very accurate cartridge, and has very little recoil, though the report is on the loud side for the size of the projectile. V-MAX bullet Same C.O.L. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet w #2808223 - 03/04/15 04:14 PM Re: .17 Hornet vs .17 Remington [Re: TheWolf57] AubreyD. And having a 17 Hornet for the longer shots make sense. Trajectory comparable to a traditional 55 gr 223 Rem, but the felt recoil of a 22 WMR. The .17 Remington is based on the .223 Remington or the .222 Remington Magnum, depending on which account you read, though looking at the design, the .222 Remington Magnum makes more sense to me. .17 Remington Fireball, in HuntingMag.com. But, within 350 yards or so, the .17 Remington makes a great varmint and predator cartridge, as the frangible bullets make very small holes in a furbearer’s pelt—and usually don’t exit—yet have enough energy and a flat enough trajectory to place shots accurately on woodchucks and prairie dogs, creating that famous red mist. The .17 Remington Fireball introduced a few years ago is a somewhat larger edition of the .17 Hornet, but the Fireball is less than trendy. Is it more accurate? vs. .300 Win. The taper of the case is different and the shoulder is 25 degrees necked down to the .17 bullet. 17 Mach IV vs. the 17 Remington, in RifleMagazine.com. Ackley who used it on much larger game, but such use is not typical. Ackley who used it on much larger game, but such use is not typical. A few even recommended either a .243 or a 6mm as a good, "stop them in their tracks kind of gun". The 17 Rem is a heck of a little round IF and only IF you reload! .17 Rem (top) v .22-250 (bottom) Q: I own a Remington Model 700 in .17 Remington that has been rebarreled with a Maddco barrel 600mm long and shoots groups averaging .25". .17 Rem (top) v .22-250 (bottom) Q: I own a Remington Model 700 in .17 Remington that has been rebarreled with a Maddco barrel 600mm long and shoots groups averaging .25". This short cartridge was initially chambered in Remington’s XP-100 bolt-action single-shot handgun. The .223 Rem. The .17 Remington was introduced in 1971 by Remington Arms Company for their model 700 rifles.. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .17 HMR Hornady Magnum Rimfire vs .22 Hornet ammo rounds. I have not taken a 22 PD shooting for quite a while. Somehow shooting a round the same diameter as the old pellet gun I grew up shooting feels good. Stuff just dies and you can barely tell they were hit with anything. For smaller sized game, the little 17 Hornet is one of the most fun little guns I own. ... #2387923 - 01/07/13 04:24 PM Re: 17 Hornet vs 17 Fireball [Re: 1happyshooter] Mike B Die Hard Member III Registered: 01/31/02 Posts: 2715 Loc: central PA Researched both calibers very well with balistics and reloading. .17 Hornet This .17-caliber version of P.O. 17-223 IS NOT a 17 Remington! Werfen wir einen Blick auf die .17 Remington und die .17 Hornet und vergleichen und vergleichen wir ihre Eigenschaften. 17 vs .22-250 - posted in Guns, Loads, Optics and Gear for Varmint Hunting: I am buying a new varmint gun to shoot pd's and coyotes. It is based on the .223 Remington case necked down to .172 in (4.37 mm), with the shoulder moved back. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? The 17 Hornet – an economical, fun .17 caliber centerfire cartridge that puts the STING on varmints out to 300 yards! I am looking at a h&r .22-250 with a heavy barrel and the remmy 700 LVSF in the 17. The relatively new .17 Hornet filled the void perfectly for me. Had I had any idea the 17 Hornet was coming (even if the 17AH is 200 FPS faster) I would have done the 17 Hornet instead. My averages for each are, WSR, 3672fps, CCI-400, 3676fps and Rem 6 1/2, 3659fps. Mag. The relatively new .17 Hornet filled the void perfectly for me. Shop Great Deals for .17 Hornet in our Rifles Department | Sportsman's Guide There have been many other variants of the .17 calibre. In general I'd say there's at least 100 yards difference in consistent performance, maybe more like 150. Fireball VS .17 Remington Just curious about my options. Perhaps the greatest buzz from shooting the .17 Hornet is the almost total absence of recoil. The muzzle velocities generated by the .17 Hornet run considerably slower than the .17 Remington—3650 fps for the 20-grain load, and 3870 fps for the lighter 15.5-grain NTX load from Hornady—yet the pressures, barrel wear and fouling are also less than those associated with the larger-cased .17 Remington. it is also better in the wind then the hornet. Log in to see fewer ads Considering each of these for my next rifle purchase. I would not get rid of either of these little screamers. Thanks Friday, December 20, 2019. Die Hard Member Registered: 03/07/13 Posts: 528 Loc: Freestone county Texas I own both CZ's and Savage's and to me yes the CZ is a much more quality rifle. Being able to use good Lapua brass is another plus. Massively better performance. The introduction of the .17 HMR in 2002 rekindled the flame which was started by the .17 Remington in 1971. P.O. Looking at the 2 calibers mostly for a short range varmint rifle, 100 - 150 yds max. The 17 Remington Fireball, based on the classic .221 Remington Fireball case, is an extremely well balanced cartridge that provides laser-flat trajectory, with match grade accuracy, all in a compact package that does not require excessive maintenance and won’t burn out barrels. Between the two, I find the .17 Hornet to be the more efficient, affordable and sensible choice. Remington has 2 loads for the 17 Rem. Interestingly, the impact energy also favours the 17 cal The 17 cal delivers 290 FPE compared to the 22 Hornets - 196 FPE Last year, on our week long treck, I took a 204 Ruger, two 223's, two 6mm Remingtons, and for the fun of it a 375 H&H AI and and scoped Ruger Super Blackhawk in 44 Mag. I’m betting the .17 Hornet will hang in there, however, because it has a ready-made home as any gun chambered for the .22 Hornet can also be chambered for the .17. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .17 WSM Winchester Super Magnum vs .22 Hornet ammo rounds. I'd combine one of the rimfires with a .17 Hornet. Less fouling, barrel wear, powder and pressure compared to the 17 Rem. This short cartridge was initially chambered in Remington’s XP-100 bolt-action single-shot handgun. v -max 4 coyote DRT ( dead right there ) no pass thru 1 fox couple exit holes need sewn / not as bad as 17 holes You hit bone get out the needle. Why is Remington pushing the 17 Rem. Kudos to Hornady for recognizing the potential of the design, and for bringing it to the masses. Famed gunsmith and cartridge developer P.O. That said, I own and shoot two .17 Fireballs...Remington 700 and Encore. The .17 Remington Fireball was created in 2007 by Remington Arms Company as a response to the popular wildcat round, the .17 Mach IV.Factory loads drive a 20 grain (1.3 g) bullet around 4,000 ft/s (1,219 m/s). Let’s take a look at the .17 Remington and the .17 Hornet and compare and contrast their attributes. I like the 17 Hornet but do not really call it my coyote gun but would use it if under 100 yds. My collection will always include a .223 and .308 rifle. You will find the smallest commercial cartridges available are the .17-inch bores, and while they’ve been around exactly as long as I have, the shooting public seems to have an on-again-off-again relationship with the .17s. Lower cost and comparable quality to the 17 Fireball and 223 Rem. We now had .17 caliber varmint cartridges that could be compared to the .22 Hornet, .22-250 and .220 Swift; three of the four major velocity niches occupied by established centerfire .22 varmint cartridges. I have both, 17 Hornet and 204, both are CZ 527 Varmint models. I took some time yesterday and called Remington. factory rounds suck! The .17 is not as quiet as the Hornet and adds the additional complication of requiring .17 caliber bullets and cleaning rods which are not always easy to find. Basically just a fun toy for plinking paper. We've got you covered.• 7mm RUM vs. .300 RUM• .308 Winchester vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .260 Remington• .303 British vs. 8x57 Mauser• .30-06 Springfield vs. All Other .30s• .17 HMR vs. .17 WSM• .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express• 350 Legend vs. .35 Remington• .280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. Give me some input on both rifles. Cartridges like the .204 Rug., .17 Rem., and .223 Rem., on the other end of the spectrum, typically blow huge holes in the hides. by Philip Massaro - It is based on the .223 Remington case necked down to .172 in (4.37 mm), with the shoulder moved back. .17 Remington or .17 Hornet. Tip Lead Free bullets had an average velocity of 2752 f.p.s. 22 Hornet drops 5.8" and is blown off target by 7" in a meagre 5 MPH cross wind The 17 Hornet - drops only 2" and drifts 2.8" in comparison. The latest of the SAAMI standardized centerfire .17's is the .17 Hornet, designed and introduced by Hornady. I like the Hornet a lot but for practical handling and varmit blasting, the .204 s hard to beat with its .222 Mag case and .204 bore which is much easier to clean and manage than the .177. At these velocities, the bullets are subjected to all sorts of stresses upon impact, and I’ve seen some over-zealous handloads strip the jacket from the core of the bullets. I don't use magnum primers because I believe they actually degraded accuracy in my loads. Wow Your not Hi on the 223 or the 17s, I'm a 17/Hornet shooter from 1960 my first was built on my 1937-M-70 by P.O.Ackley in PA. Remington doesn't even chamber a rifle for the 17 Rem. I am considering either the .17 Remington or a .17 Hornet. Looking at the ballistics, the 17 Rem. The Hornet ammo—available from Hornady and Federal—runs between $0.70 and $0.90 per round, while the .17 Remington ammo—available from Remington and Nosler—costs about $1.70 per round. This little cartridge is small in size and cost, but big in performance. 17 Hornet 20gr. The .17 Hornet, son of the classic .22 Hornet that our grandfathers delighted in shooting, is a well-balanced design. I can get about 3850 fps out of my 17 Rem with the 30's and the 4000+ fps barrier would just be just that little extra I'm looking for. I have a .17 HMR and I love it. and only 1 load for the 17 Rem. There are smaller bore diameters, but you’ll have to look long and hard to find them. Dennis I have both the 204 and 17 hornet and believe you are correct. , than differences.. Remington brass is lousy. I shoot just about everything suppressed but even unsuppressed the 17 Hornet isn't particularly loud and is MUCH quieter than my 204. Im looking at CZ 527s and just cannot make up my mind. Some of the newer CZ's have a pretty rough action from the factory. With a 23-degree shoulder and a case length of 1.796 inches—the .223 Remington uses a 1.760-inch-long case—the .17 Remington often has a powder charge heavier than its bullet. Less fouling, barrel wear, powder and pressure compared to the 17 Rem. Owning a .17-caliber rifle comes with its own set of challenges (a specialty cleaning rod must be ordered, and it’s very easy to wedge a patch in the bore), but among the centerfire choices, including the .17 Fireball, I like the .17 Hornet. The Savage Model 25 in .17 Hornet is a lot of fun to shoot. That said, owning both and shooting both is sort of like owning and shooting a 243 and a 6 mm !! The 17WSM I have seen work over prairie dogs was impressive but the 17HMR is a much better choice for a rimfire rifle. Assuming a 200-yard zero for both cartridges, and using a 20-grain bullet for comparative purposes, the .17 Remington will hit about two inches higher at 300 yards than will the .17 Hornet (4.6 inches of drop for the Remington vs. 6.4 inches for the Hornet), yet in the hands of an experienced rifleman, that difference can easily be accounted for. For smaller sized game, the little 17 Hornet is one of the most fun little guns I own. 17-223 IS NOT a 17 Remington! Some loss of cases may occur during fireforming, but the 17 Hornet is a good one for single-shot rifle fans and exhibits decent ballistics for its size. Tip Lead Free bullets had an average velocity of 2752 f.p.s. The Bill Eichelberger line of cartridges uses .10-inch, .12-inch and .14-inch diameter bullets, though they are about as rare as hen’s teeth. The new issue of Rifle has a review of the CZ527 for 22 hornet and they mention ed that the 527 can be had in a 222 remington. This was with 9.3 gr of Lil'Gun with 20 gr VMax and Hornady brass. I have both, 17 Hornet and 204, both are CZ 527 Varmint models. Either gun will just be a range toy or rare varminting. Most of us are now familiar with the .17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) and its centre-fire predecessor, the .17 Remington. Wow Your not Hi on the 223 or the 17s, I'm a 17/Hornet shooter from 1960 my first was built on my 1937-M-70 by P.O.Ackley in PA. 17 Remington Rifle Cartridge by Nosler Inc. TECHNICAL INFORMATION: Based on a necked down 223 Remington case, it is generally chambered in bolt rifles, but could be used in AR platforms. yes it uses more powder. I’ve used it for foxes and coyotes here in the northeast, and it’s proven itself on a hot prairie dog town. Ackley’s .22 Hornet was introduced by Hornady in 2011, likely to compete with Remington’s Fireball . Very nice caliber for varmints! Fireball. 17 HMR VS 17 HORNET I like the 17 Hornet it does something crazy like 3600 fps Any input on ether the 17 HMR or the 17 HORNET Thanks….. I've owned every type of 17,out there I stop reloading when Hornady & Remington came out with loaded rounds.FYI 17/Hornet Ammo is cheaper then 17WSM. Ackley also modified the venerable .22 Hornet, necking it down to .17, but Hornady’s 2011 release of the commercialized .17 Hornet grabbed some attention. I’m betting the .17 Hornet will hang in there, however, because it has a ready-made home as any gun chambered for the .22 Hornet can also be chambered for the .17. Sharing the rimmed design of the parent case, the .17 Hornet feeds nicely in a bolt-action repeating rifle—I spent some time with a Savage Model 25 Walking Varminter which shot very well—and will handle both varmints and predators to the same 300 to 350 yards that the .17 Remington will. Mag. 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